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‘Carry the label with pride’ Ron Derby on ‘BEE appointments’ and more

How long should it take for Cyril Ramaphosa to turn the country around, and what’s the strengths of our economy we don’t hear about often enough? Verashni Pillay talks to new M&G editor, Ron Derby about the state of the nation, making it as a black man and creating a newspaper to be proud of despite the enormous pressure newsrooms are under.

Watch the conversation below.

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